Page Contents:
Pre-Dental
DAT
NBDE (Part 1)
NBDE (Part 2)
Air Force HPSP
Air Force COT
Pre-Dental
What should I major in?
- It really doesn't matter. Dental schools typically want 3 basic things, a good GPA, a good DAT, and a well-balanced student. If you can major in math and still do well in your science classes and the DAT, then go for it! Many students find it easier to major in Biology or Chemistry because so much biology and chemistry is typically required to go to dental school that they will go for a degree that fits within the classes they need anyway. So if you pick a major like music, art, engineering, etc., you'll likely be taking some more classes to cover your major AND get the prerequisite courses you need for the DAT and the dental school you apply to.
When should I take the DAT?
- Not everyone is the same, and the DAT is no exception. Many take it early in the summer that they are applying and filling out their AADSAS application. For example, if you were applying to attend dental school in 2011, you would typically take it in the summer of 2010, roughly a year before dental school would begin. Others, like myself, have taken different approaches. I studied over my December break and took it in January rather than taking it 6 months later in the summer. Not everyone will feel comfortable doing this, but it just depends on how many classes you have under your belt and how much time you can set aside to study.
What if my state doesn't have a dental school?
- To many people's surprise, not all states have a dental school. In this case, you would be applying EVERYWHERE as an out-of-state applicant, making your chances much lower. Two things to think about, however. If you want to get into dental school, then work hard! The better your GPA and DAT, the better your chances. Also, some states have agreements with out-of-state dental schools to accept a set number of students from that state. For example, Utah has no dental school (as of early 2010) and several schools around the nation have agreed to take a few Utah students every year so that Utah students are left in the cold.
I go to a small college and we don't have a pre-dental club or pre-dental advisor. Where do I go for help?
- One of the best resources in undergrad are the dental forums at www.studentdoctor.net. Here you can find answers to all kinds of questions and meet people in your same situation. If you feel out of the loop, don't give up. You can always contact a dental school near you (preferably one you intend to apply to) and speak to an advisor on the phone or set up a face-to-face meeting.
I just switched to dentistry and I'm already a Sophomore/Junior/Senior so I'm behind on my prerequisites... what should I do?
- The first thing you'll want to do is look into schools you are thinking of applying to. Check their prerequisite courses and get enrolled in some of them ASAP. Also, think about taking some intersession or summer courses. I did this a couple of times to catch up (and get ahead) and it worked perfectly. You may not be able to fully 'catch up', but don't forget that the average entering dental student is around 24 years old. While most students graduate college at age 22, you are not behind the national average... don't get discouraged!
My GPA is really bad and I've taken so many classes that it will take several extra semesters to raise it... how can I improve my chances without staying in undergraduate for extra time?
- The best way to hide a bad GPA is to score high on the DAT. Every undergraduate program is different, but the DAT is meant to be a standardized way to compare all applicants. If you can prove you know the material by scoring high in the DAT, this may be enough to convince a certain school that you really do have the brains you need to do well in dental school. Some schools will even weigh more heavily your most recent credit hours, so get good grades from here on out! I know Oklahoma has a component to their academic evaluation called the L60 which is the GPA you have obtained in your most recent 60 credit hours and I imagine other schools prefer a trending improvement in GPA. Also, some schools simply don't weigh GPA as highly as others. Purchase the ADEA Official Guide to Dental Schools (www.adea.org/dental_education_pathways/educational_resources/Pages/ADEAOfficialGuidetoDentalSchools.aspx) and see which schools have lower average GPA acceptances. Some schools really could care less about GPA and just want to see a diverse student with a good DAT.
I used to be pre-med and I'm thinking about pre-dental. Can I just do both and see where I get accepted and then decide?
- That is certainly a good idea, but most profession schools want to see that you are committed to one path. Applying to both may work, but it shows a lack of decision making ability. It is certainly not recommended, as some dental schools will not like it that you are applying to their school without knowing if you actually want to be a dentist. Take some time and decide what you want to do, and hit it full steam.
I go to a community college... can I get into dental school?
- Of course! You may be required to take some upper division classes at a different institution that are not offered at your community college, but if you score high on your DAT, there is no reason that a community college student can not be a competitive applicant. However, some dental schools will not accept prerequisite courses from a community college so keep this in mind and transfer to a 4-year institution if the schools you are considering will not take community college hours.
I go to a 4-year college but I want to take some classes at a community college... can I do this?
- Like I said above, some dental schools won't take community college classes as prerequisites. Others will take social/humanities classes but NOT science courses. Typically, it is recommended to take your sciences at a 4-year school but courses like history and english are usually safe to take elsewhere. Always check with the schools you are interested in before making this decision as each dental school has its own guidelines.
How competitive is my GPA and DAT?
- It depends on the schools you are applying to. Generally, you should aim for at least a 3.65 overall and science GPA to be competitive with the national average. For the DAT, about an 18 or 19 is a solid score nationally. The national average for the DAT is 17 but this is of all test takers, not all who are accepted. Obviously a strong GPA can offset a poor DAT, and the other way around. Your best chance is to do well with both. Also, keep in mind that not every school is looking for the same thing. Many schools looking highly upon your GPA, while others favor a good DAT.
DAT
Since I have 3 chances to take the DAT, should I use one of my shots for 'practice'?
- I would say no. There are several free practice DATs offered through Kaplan year-round and this is really the best way to gauge whether or not you are ready to start studying. Although you have three chances, don't go into you first test already knowing your 2nd and 3rd are there waiting for you. Go in with the mindset that your first test is your one chance because if you don't give it your all, you're likely to fall short of the score you really want. Go in full steam and act like your first shot is your only shot.
I did very poorly on my first DAT... should I retake?
- People's definition of a bad DAT score can vary quite a bit. My advice would be to check out the schools you want to apply to and see what their average acceptance is. Some will have an average DAT of 17 while others may have an average DAT as high as 23. Remember, you must wait 3 months before scheduling a new DAT time so plan out your test dates wisely so that you will have ample time to study before each chance you take.
I am scoring very poorly on the reading section when I practice and feel overwhelmed... am I doing something wrong?
- Possibly. Some people just struggle with this section but remember, you are not required to test using a specific method. Some like to skim the reading and then answer the questions where as others (like myself) like the 'search and destroy' method. This is where you simply ignore the reading and go straight to the questions, looking them each up 1 by 1. This saves you the time because you are not reading the whole passage. Also, many people have some level of testing anxiety which makes it fairly difficult to concentrate and remember a passage in a short amount of time.
I haven't had a Biology class in a long time... should I wait to take more Bio classes before I try the DAT?
- While every person is different, I see no reason that someone can't study for the DAT without a strong Biology background. While it certainly helps, it is not outrageous to think that anyone can learn the biology needed for the DAT in a matter of weeks with diligent study. When I took the DAT, I only had 1 biology class under my belt. I managed to score a 21 on Bio from just studying using the Kaplan Blue Book and Barron's AP Biology book in about 2 weeks time. If you put in the hours, you can do very well in any section.
I was planning on taking the DAT in a couple of weeks but my practice test scores are lower than I'd like... what should I do?
- If you're studying during the school year, you may be stuck. It is probably hard for you to create more DAT study time but do your best. If you buckle down and commit 8 hours/day to DAT study, you'll be stunned with how quickly you can learn. If you are studying in the summer or over a break, consider rescheduling your DAT a week or so later to give yourself a bit more time. I did this (rescheduled) and it was probably the difference-maker for me. Also, make sure you are studying what you get wrong. I know it sounds silly, but many people will take a practice test, get a score, and keep doing what they did before. Study what you are doing poorly on! Don't keep studying plants if you are nailing those questions every time, move on to things you are doing poorly on each time.
I have heard great things about all sorts of different study materials... should I get them all?
- It depends on how much time you have to study and what things you need work on. For me, the Kaplan Blue Book was enough for GChem and OChem, but I needed an extra book for Biology. In my opinion, if you get lots of different study books, you may unintentionally overwhelm yourself. Most of what you need to know for the DAT can be found in a couple of places, and adding more study material will likely just overlap what the other books already cover. So I would say no, don't get everything, get what you need. However, more practice tests are always good because they help you gauge your studies. You can't have too many practice questions but don't go out and buy 3 biology textbooks or anything.
I'm on a tight budget, how can I maximize my studying with a small amount of money?
- First of all, don't overbuy. Just buy what you need work on. I highly recommend the Kaplan Blue Book as an overview for everything, but if you are good at OChem, don't buy an OChem study guide! Same goes for any other subject. Also, don't forget that the DAT is meant to test what you've learned in undergrad. While the DAT questions are often more basic that your undergrad science courses, your undergrad notes/tests/quizzes/etc. are great resources that cost you no money at all. The ADA provides a practice DAT for free and some other organizations may have some as well. Try to buy books used but in good condition on Amazon. Don't get a book that is already highlighted because you'll want to be able to take your own notes to synthesize the material in you mind on your own. One thing I would not miss out on is TopScore. If you have to spend money on something, get TopScore. It offers 3 full-length practice exams that are very similar to the types of questions on the DAT. If your school has a Pre-Dental Club, see if some members have taken the DAT and would be willing to let you 'borrow' their books while you study.
I'm getting pretty nervous about my DAT coming up... what are some last second things I should do to make my experience stress-free?
- There are several small things you can do to ensure that your test goes smoothly.
- Bring a snack to the test. Don't bring anything rough like candy, but bring crackers and water (or gatorade). You'll get a short break in the middle of your test and you'll want to have something to snack on.
- Bring your ID. If you don't drive yourself, don't forget your ID! You'll need this to verify who you are.
- Go to the bathroom during your break even if you don't have to. It will give you the chance to walk around and get your blood flowing a little.
- Have someone drive you to the test. If you are very nervous, you'll have the tendency to speed and the last thing you want the morning of your test is a ticket. Also, you don't want you car battery to die the morning of the test. Yes, that does happen... because it happened to me...
- Get sleep the night before the test. It's going to be hard, but you're going to have to force yourself to forget the test. Set 5 alarms if it will make you feel better about waking up on time.
- Don't eat anything weird the morning of the test. Have a normal breakfast, preferably the same thing you eat every day. Trying to eat something different could have an adverse effect on your digestion and this could make your testing experience a nightmare.
- Bring a coat! You will be sitting for several hours and there is no guarantee that you will be in a warm place. I would bring something that buttons or zips (no pull-overs!) so that you can adjust it during the test because the testing center will likely not let you remove clothing once you are inside and this will let you regulate your temperature.
- Turn your cell phone OFF. Don't put it on silent. In fact, I would suggest leaving it in the locker (they'll keep your snack in a place up front for you) so you have no reason whatsoever to get penalized for your cell phone.
- Leave your wallet up front, too. Sitting on a wallet for several hours can cause muscle cramps and you'll want to be as comfortable as possible.
- For the test, wear something comfortable, but not TOO comfortable. You want to feel relaxed, not lazy. Sweatpants are probably not a good idea because you'll get in a lazy mindset. Wear something you typically wear (like jeans and comfortable shoes).
- If you don't normally have caffeine, don't have any the morning of the test. If you are not accustomed to it, it can make you feel jittery and hungry.
- Be confident. Go into the DAT with the notion that you are about to dominate the test. If you go in apprehensive and scared, you'll answer the questions that way and second guess yourself. This will slow you down and make you even more nervous as you do.
- As you finish each section, forget about it. You can't go to the next section and expect to do well if you are still mentally analyzing what section you just completed. You have to move on and erase what just happened from your mind.
- Don't panic. If you are taking the test and start to feel overwhelmed, just skip the questions that are giving you trouble. Don't freak out on a question for 5 minutes because it will fluster you and make you more susceptible to rush through the remainder of the test. Move on, and come back to the question later.
- Accept guesses. If you have to guess, don't alarm yourself with the notion that you have an 80% chance of guessing a question wrong (4 wrong choices out of 5). There are hundreds of questions on the DAT and some of your guesses are going to be right. When in doubt, knock out the answers that cannot be right and increase your chances of guessing. Most of the time you can bring the question to two answers, giving yourself a 50/50 guess.
NBDE (Part 1)
When should I start preparing?
- In reality, you should do as best you possibly can in your basic science classes so that when you do study, you make your life easier because you already know it! They idea of this test is make sure you know your sciences, so learn them early! When it gets closer to the exam, you'll have to gauge how comfortable you feel and decide for yourself how much time you'll need. You should plan to have at least 1 week of total boards study to be successful, though some may need more or less.
What is the best way to study?
- You should study just like you'd study for a normal dental school test with one exception. You should absolutely get through every old exam you can find. It gives you a great idea of your progress and you will find many repeats on your actual exam! I would estimate that approximately 10-15% were virtually direct repeats and as much as 30% covered nearly identical concepts from old exams.
I don't have a lot of money, can I get study material cheap somehow?
- First off, this test is a big deal and in the big scheme of things, saving a few pennies is meaningless compared to passing Part 1. Secondly, if you are looking for cheap stuff, ask upperclassmen for their old materials or wait until some of your classmates have taken it and "borrow" their materials for your exam. Just give them back when they're done so they can make the money back if they sell them to a younger dental student. Thirdly, you can often resell your material to a younger dental student the next year so it basically evens out anyway!
What is the hardest section?
- It depends on what you are good at, but based on the national averages, probably Bio/Phys. The Biochemistry section is tough to memorize if you're not good at Biochem anyway, and Physiology can be quite a hurdle with some of its more conceptual questions. It was my worst section as well.
What is the easiest section?
- Since you'll soon be a dentist, it should be the Dental Anatomy section! It's the easiest section to learn quickly but don't take it for granted. The questions can be a bit tricky but you should be able to master it by taking old tests and understanding the types of questions they like to ask. And know the "picket fence" diagram for occlusion! You can find it right below.
NBDE (Part 2)
I'm having a hard time getting motivated to study and I feel like I should know this stuff. How did you get started?
- I had a difficult time getting motivated to get going so I took a practice test right away. This gave me a bit of a shock and helped jumpstart my studying. I also thought about how much I'd be picking myself if I failed this thing!
Was it harder or easier than Part 1?
- I thought it was easier, and I did study a little less, but it's hard to compare because I didn't get a score. All it said was "Pass" so that's not much to go off of! I felt good when I left the exam but who knows, I could have barely scraped by.
Oral Pathology and Pharmacology are overwhelming, how do I study these?
- For Pharmacology, I only used the Tuft's Pharmacology review (do a Google search). When I say only, I mean ONLY! No pharmacology decks, no review book, no old class notes, nothing. For Oral Pathology, dental decks is where it's at. That's all I used for Oral Pathology. Make sure you have the picture booklet that goes with it.
Air Force HPSP
Why did you decide to take a military scholarship instead of just loans like everyone else?
Do you have to go to boot camp?
How do I get reimbursed by the Air Force for things I pay for?
- I chose this route for a few reasons. First of all, I liked the idea of serving in the military as a dentist. If you don't like the idea of 'being in the military', don't consider this scholarship just to remove your debt burden because chances are, you won't be happy. The other reason I did it was because it made financial sense. Although a private practice dentist typically makes more than an Air Force dentist, I will be an Air Force dentist with no loans to repay. The other nice thing is that once you step into the Air Force, you get to become part of a practice that is already established and you have no malpractice insurance, no employee payments to worry about, no office management, etc. I liked the idea of being able to go practice dentistry without worry about business right away, be debt free, and serve my country.
- Honestly this was a matter of preference. I had always been interested in the Air Force as a kid and considered applying to the AF Academy out of high school. When the opportunity arose, I looked into it more and got in touch with a recruiter about halfway through my college career. My stats were very good so he knew I was serious and had a good chance to be accepted so we started working on my application. I spoke with several dentists that had done the HPSP in all 3 branches and they all had good things to say so I don't think you can go wrong. I had heard a lot about a superior quality of life in the Air Force but obviously I don't have any first hand experience with this and will never be able to compare the branches adequately. With the Navy, it's my understanding that you'll be on a boat for at least part of your payback so that wasn't very appealing to me and the Army just overall wasn't something I was interested in.
Do you have to go to boot camp?
- No. On the HPSP scholarship, you are commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant (an officer rank) and so instead you will go to Commissioned Officer Training which is a 4-5 week officer training camp in Alabama. Check out the COT tab at the top for more details
How do I get reimbursed by the Air Force for things I pay for?
- It's actually very easy. When you get the scholarship, you'll receive several contacts at AFIT that will help you along. One of them will be in charge of reimbursements. Within 60 days of the start of your scholarship, you can begin to buy required items. You'll e-mail AFIT 4 things: proof of requirement, proof of purchase, AIFT form 31, and an EFT form. For health insurance, you don't need proof of requirement but you do need proof that the AF is only paying you back for a plan that covers only you. It is quite easy to do, much easier than I thought it would be
When do I apply for the Air Force scholarship?
- For me, I began giving my recruiter my transcripts, DAT scores, etc. in mid-2009. I was accepted to dental school later that year, in December 2009, and awarded the scholarship in February 2010. I was basically applying to dental school and the AF scholarship at the same time. This is because the AF scholarship takes a long time to assemble so my recruiter got everything very early. If you are interested in the scholarship, don't wait around! It takes a while for the recruiter to get everything ready so make sure you contact one as soon as possible.
What kind of Air Force responsibilities do you have during dental school?
- During dental school, you will have nothing you have to do for the Air Force. The two things you'll hear about are Commissioned Officer Training and Active Duty Tours (aka Campus Tours). COT is a 1 time training course that lasts 4 weeks that you'll complete at some point either before, during, or after school when you have time. You will not be taken out of school for this. Typically those on a 4-year will go before dental school, and those on a 3-year will go after dental school is over. The Active Duty Tours are a random stretch of 45 days where you are given full 2nd Lt. pay as though you were actually on active duty (Base Pay + BAS + BAH [based on zip code]). However, your orders will officially be a "campus tour", meaning that nothing is different except that you cannot travel outside of the United States. Other than that, you go to school like normal. Thus there are virtually no Air Force responsibilities during school.
I'm considering the scholarship, when should I talk to a recruiter?
- Unfortunately, the word "recruiter" can scare a lot of people away. Unfortunately again, you cannot apply for the scholarship without one. Your recruiter will be responsible for getting everything turned in for you and getting you on the right track. The application process can be lengthy and there are several things that need to be done in a certain order. For example: you must qualify academically before you can get a physical, you must get a physical before you can be interviewed by a current AF dentist, etc. There is no such thing as too early, but if you are applying to dental school, you need to be applying for this at the same time at the very latest. This is not something you can do overnight, it can take several weeks. Get with a recruiter ASAP because often times a single recruiter will work a large area and you will NOT be their only applicant. Some recruiters even work programs other than dental so be aware that if you want this, you need to go after it. I entered dental school in fall of 2010 and was in talks with my recruiter back in 2008. This was earlier than most, but if I would have waited until late 2009, I would have been too late.
Do I need an acceptance letter to apply for the scholarship?
- This is probably the most common misunderstanding. You do NOT need an acceptance letter to apply for the 4-year scholarship. The 3-year scholarship covers your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years of dental school so obviously you'll already be in dental school when you apply. As for the 4-year scholarship, the application process takes weeks, if not months, and applying after an acceptance will be too late. The Air Force considers their applicants independently of whether or not they are accepted. If selected on the Air Force scholarship, it is a conditional acceptance meaning if you for whatever reason do NOT get into dental school, they'll just give the scholarship to someone else. The AF HPSP scholarship has become very competitive, however, so it is highly unlikely you'll be selected for the scholarship and not be admitted to a dental school.
Does the Air Force select based on the cost of the school I want to attend?
- No. In fact, after you're awarded the AF scholarship, you may still be hearing back from different schools. You can change your school and just let the Air Force know and they'll cover you there. It does not matter how much the school costs, it will all be covered. The exception, obviously, is room and board. You'll get a stipend for this but just because you live in LA and go to USC doesn't mean you'll get a penny more than someone living in Kentucky or Oklahoma. Everyone's stipend is the same.
I want the scholarship, but I'm afraid to commit too early. When am I officially committed?
- You are not "officially" committed until you take your oath. You will schedule your oath after you are accepted on the scholarship. You'll even have a small window after you're accepted to decide you don't want it. However, keep in mind that if you're having reservations about it all the way up to the point you're accepted, it may not be right for you. Just know that you will not be locked in at all during the application process so it is to your benefit to get with a recruiter as soon as you can. You can back out at any time before your acceptance during the application process.
Do I have to pass a physical to be considered for the HPSP?
- In a way, yes. Before you're accepted, you'll have to go through MEPS (Military Entrance Processing Station). You don't run and do pushups, it's more like a doctor's physical. They'll test your range of motion in your arms and legs, have you take a vision and hearing test, draw some blood, etc. It takes several hours and it's not the most exciting thing in the world, but it's nothing to stress about. If you have any prior medical issues you'll speak with a military doctor there. I had knee surgery in high school and when I went to MEPS I had to speak personally with a doctor and demonstrate my range of motion and what I was capable of doing after my ACL surgery.
What will my rank be?
- During dental school you will be an O-1 (2nd Lieutenant). Once you graduate, you will be promoted to O-3 (Captain).
Will the stipend amount change based on where I go to school?
- No. Unfortunately, you will get the same stipend (currently $2088/month - taxes) as everyone else. It does not change based on your location. One thing to consider is how much of this you'll be using. I live in Oklahoma where the cost of living is very low so I keep a good amount of this each month. Even though my free tuition at Oklahoma is not worth as much as free tuition at USC, for example, I would certainly be giving up most, if not all, of my stipend just to live in LA whereas I keep quite a bit of it in OKC. So don't necessarily go to the most expensive school you can for the "best deal". Go to a place you WANT to go; or, go to the place with a cheap cost of living so you can pocket more of your stipend.
What will you get paid in the Air Force?
- As of right now, Air Force dentists on HPSP scholarship go straight to Captain (O-3) once they graduate dental school. So I would get base O-3 pay, plus a $20,000/year bonus just for being a dentist. On top of that, you are given BAS and BAH pay.
- Here is the breakdown as it stands now:
- Base Pay, varies by rank and time served (O-3 under 2 years of experience) = $3,835.50/month
- Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH), varies by rank, location and number of dependents = $891-$3480/month
- $891 based on rate in Alpena Co., MI with no dependents
- $3,480 based on rate in NYC, NY with dependents
- Note: You may opt to live on base in which case your housing is free but you receive no BAH
- Basic Allowance for Subsistence (BAS), set amount for officers, does not vary = $242.60/month
- Incentive Special Pay (IP), new special pay for all dentists = $20,000/year
- NOTE: IP has replaced VSP and ASP
- So, you'll be paid anywhere in this range:
- Lowest possible amount in 2013: $68,937.20 (living on base, not taking BAH)
- Highest possible amount in 2013: $110,697.20 (living in NYC, taking BAH, with dependents)
- Average pay:
- Calculation:
- [Base pay] + [BAS] + [IP] + [BAH ($1,800/month as an average)]
- [$3,835.50/m] + [$242.60/m] + [$1,666.67/m] + [$1,800/m] = $7544.77/month
- $7544.77 x 12 months = $90,537.24/year
- A note on taxes
- BAH and BAS are not taxed. So assuming you live in NYC like the scenario above, you are taxed on $66,026. In fact, every new dental officer would be taxed at this amount because the only things considered taxable are the base pay ($3,835.50/month) and your $20,000/year bonus. So a dental officer starting out, regardless of where you are stationed, is taxed the same since BAH is not taxed! As an added bonus, BAS is not taxed, though this does not vary by location and is a set amount. Also, many states do not tax military income, so you may be stationed in a state where you would only be responsible for federal taxes, further increasing your actual take home pay.
Air Force COT
Check out the COT Survival Guide under the "HPSP, COT, and Beyond" tab at the top!
updated 28 May 2017
What is the DAT score you must have to apply for the Air Force? I know the Navy is 18..
ReplyDeleteCurrently it's a 19 DAT and a 3.5 GPA. I've heard those can bend a little, say if you have a high DAT they'll take a slightly lower GPA. Remember, this is just for applying. This is not guaranteeing acceptance, and you likely won't get the scholarship with only a 19 and a 3.5, especially a highly competitive 4-year scholarship. Feel free to email me or post here if you have other questions! (usafdds (at) gmail (dot) com)
ReplyDeleteIf I was hoping to go in for orthodontics, what would the arrangement be with the airforce, as that generally requires extra schooling? (Thank you so much for all of your information, you have been so helpful!)I have a few questions still regarding this program, but I will start with this one. :)
ReplyDeleteHi Monica! The only one you can defer would be an OMFS specialty. Other than that, you'd have to wait until the 4-year payback was over and apply to Ortho on your own or apply to an Ortho program in the military. Email me and we can chat about your other questions!
DeleteHow difficult is it to exit an airfoce contract? I have a close friend who is a dental student that committed to the air force and his life has changed and does not feel the airforce is going to be the right move for him. Is there an honorable way to get out of the contract like maybe buying out of it?
DeleteMark, this is a question that the student needs to bring up with his contacts at AFIT immediately. I don't know what the options are at this point to be honest. The Air Force chooses a specific number of applicants each year to fill future needs projections, so I'm not sure.
DeleteDoes the financial aid office at OU allow HPSP students to take out additional loans.
ReplyDeleteThat's a great question and I actually do not know the answer. I haven't had to because the cost of living is very low in Oklahoma so I've taken no additional loans. If you come here for an interview, that's a great question to ask. Sorry I wasn't more help!
ReplyDeleteHow much did you have to pay for supplies/equipment your first year of dental school?
ReplyDeleteGreat question! I paid nothing Everything was covered automatically by the Air Force since it was billed to the bursar. Anything required by the school that you must pay for (which is nearly nothing) you'll be reimbursed for by the Air Force. The common things I paid for we're scrubs, loupes, and health insurance. I was reimbursed in full for all of them except scrubs. For scrubs, they give you a maximum that didn't quite cover it. Other than that, it's all paid for.
DeleteHope that helps!
Does OU have any parking places other than the garage across from the dental school.
ReplyDeleteYes, there is a large parking lot east of the school behind the Allied Health building and across a small street. 1st years park there but 2nd, 3rd and 4th years all park in the parking garage at the top.
DeleteBesides anatomy, physiology and biochem, how hard and time consuming were the other classes your first year of dental school.
ReplyDeleteNone of the non-science classes are all that difficult to be honest. The biggest challenge is the volume of classes you'll be taking. You have to decide what is important and what is not. The structure forces you to sacrifice in some areas to do well in others.
DeleteI am a NonTrad looking at going back to school. Do you know if there is an age limit on applying for the HPSP?
ReplyDeleteI believe you must be younger than 42 at the time you start service, or 38 when you enter school. Your best bet is to find a health professions recruiter and talk to them specifically about that. See the top of my blog for instructions on how to find a recruiter!
DeleteThanks for the quick reply! If that is the cutoff, I may be sliding in just under the wire, but there is still hope! My dad was USAF, and this seems like a great option to look into for myself. I will be contacting a recruiter for sure!
DeleteYour blog is super helpful! Thank you! I am working towards attending dental school and the military scholarship program is definitely in my list of considerations. Once you graduate dental school do you know where you will serve you duty? Can they place you anywhere? And since you are doing a 4 year program, it will take how many years untill everythin is fully done? For example will it be 4 years of payback, 4 years IRR, 4 years residency? Could you please give me more details on this?
ReplyDeleteI do not know where I'll serve just yet. I recently got my AEGD application so I get to rank the 10 bases that offer the AEGD program in the order I want to go but there are no guarantees. I'll know in October where I'll be headed in the summer of next year.
DeleteThey can place me anywhere there is a dental clinic that needs staffing! Assuming I'm accepted to an AEGD, then there are only 10 bases. After that 1 year, I could go anywhere for the 4 year payback.
4 years until everything is done unless I do an AEGD, then it's 5 years.
No residency (for dental) unless I apply for it. Once you leave school, you can be done with your commitment in 4 years (3 if you did a 3-year HPSP) if you want.
Thank you so much for writing this blog! I am a junior undergrad student looking to attend dental school and interested in the HPSP program. I noticed you have not attended the COT and I was looking through some of the links about it to see what it is like. Is it a one time training thing or are you required to do training while in dental school? What kind of training is required once you graduate dental school? A lot of people say "the military can make you into whatever they want," basically meaning they will have a lot of control over your future (which makes sense considering they paid for you schooling) but how do you think this will affect your future?
ReplyDeleteCOT is 1 time. You are not required to do any training while in school. By law they must put you on 45 days of active duty (also known as ADT) but your "orders" are to attend school. The only caveat is that you're not permitted to leave the country during the 45 day window.
DeleteThe only training once you graduate is COT (if you haven't already done it). They make you apply for their AEGD program, but you're actually allowed to decline it if you don't want it. So you could potentially go straight into the service doing dentistry.
As to your last questions, I'm not totally sure how to answer that for two reasons. #1, I have no experience yet actually doing dentistry for the military and #2, it's a very very broad statement. Let me say this: not a single dentist I spoke with who had done the HPSP had any regrets about it and they all said it helped them improve their dental skills. Not obviously you're somewhat at the mercy of the materials and equipment on site, but you are fixing the teeth of servicemen and women so it isn't as if they're going to hand you a ball of play-doe to do fillings with. On that note, I'm not concerned about my future. Especially since I'll be debt free and will easily be able to start my own practice with a few years of experience under my belt. My intent in joining was to accelerate my potential, both in terms of my skills and financially.
If you decide to apply mid way through 1st year for the 3 year scholarship are all the requirements the same? i.e gpa, dat, letters of rec. etc???
ReplyDeleteRequirements, yes. But 3-year scholarships are slightly easier to get so someone may not be accepted for a 4-year but would be competitive for a 3-year.
DeleteHow soon did you start getting your stipend? And what is the $20,000 a year bonus for being a military bonus? Does every dentist get this above the "base" pay? Did you get a sign on bonus? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteStipend begins when school begins. The $20,000 bonus is just a bonus that all dentists get. It's paid monthly for a total of $20,000 for the year. (yes). No sign on bonus for the AF unfortunately!
DeleteHi Matt. Are you concerned that after your 4 yearsof active duty, you could be called back up for active duty again? What if you start your own practice right out of the Air Force, and you get called back? Your practice would be ruined.?
ReplyDeleteI'm not concerned because I've been told no one has ever gotten called up from IRR. It's never crossed my mind to be concerned about being called back up.
ReplyDeleteHi Matt! I am interested in applying for this scholarship. I wanted to know, do you know where you will be stationed when you work in the air force? Or do they get to the specifics after you finish dental school? Thank you!!
ReplyDeleteNo, you don't know where you'll go until during 4th year of dental school.
DeleteHi Matt, great blog by the way!
ReplyDeleteI'm currently in college trying to pursue medical school in the future. I've known about the HPSP program for a while. However I have aspergers (this isn't a problem for me or in my life at all, you probably would never guess if you met me lol) and I am wondering, does MEPS inquire about about that or along any stage in the HPSP process? Would that stop me from getting into the military at all? I can't seem to get a clear answer on this at all. Would that DQ me?
Thanks!
Your best bet is to just be up front with the recruiter about it and ask him or her point blank. If it's something that you'd have to hide then it's certainly not worth hiding. Tell your recruiter and see what they say and they'll make sure you have the right forms before MEPS if necessary. Good luck!
DeleteWhat have you heard about when you will transition to active duty after graduation? Does it vary by school graduation date or is everyone who graduates in 2014 going to transition to active duty at the same time (like the first day of COT)? My husband is a 2015 "HPSP-er" and I'm just trying to plan ahead for next summer.
ReplyDeleteIt depends on if he does an AEGD program or not. My AEGD starts on August 5 so everyone at my base will get there at the same time. As for those going straight to active duty and not doing an AEGD, I would imagine it will be sooner in the summer but obviously after your husband graduates and everything. His best bet is to email the people at AFIT and ask that question directly to them.
DeleteHey matt, I am a 4yr HPSP student finishing up my D1 year. I wanted to move up into the top 50% in my class but don't really know what to change. I am very interested in applying for the AEGD-1 but first I have to do better in class. Presently I have a 3.0 and Class Rank of ~50/93. Any tactical guidance to get some A on the scoreboard for D2 year would be much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteI honestly wouldn't worry too much about it. There are so many other factors for a well rounded candidate that being middle of the road on grades won't matter too much. Besides, you're not going to float too much higher in class rank than you are right now and trying to do so is going to stress you out. I was right at the 50% mark in my class in terms of GPA and got into the AEGD and got my 2nd base choice.
DeleteDoes receiving this scholarship in any way prohibit you from taking out loans?
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know it does not. Having said that you should try your best to live only on your stipend. It's much easier to do than you think, especially if you can hunt down an inexpensive place to live. I did not take out any loans in dental school so I can't attest to this personally.
DeleteWhat are the chances of being deployed? Once I am serving the 4 years back to the airforce and say I am stationed in Germany with my wife, is there a chance I could get deployed and sent somewhere for 6 or 8 months away from my wife? This is her largest concern...
ReplyDeleteIt's fairly low, but not 0%. Most deployment spots, as best I understand it, are filled by volunteers. This is for the Air Force anyway. I believe in the Navy you can pretty much bank on going out on a ship and I don't know about the Army.
DeleteCan you tell me what was not covered by the Air Force while you were in dental school? Is there any parts of tuition, etc... that is not covered? Little fees here and there that you ended up paying for out of pocket? Instruments rental and deposits for these? And what about books. Do they cover all of this?
ReplyDeleteEverything is covered as far as tuition and fees goes. My school billed the AF directly so I didn't have to front any money for tuition and fees. The do cover books, but you have to buy them first and ask for reimbursement.
DeleteThis that were not covered: parking pass, some of my scrubs, miscellaneous things like extra burs and stuff (though a friend said he got his reimbursed so who knows), shoes, laptop, bags to carry your supplies in... that's all I can really think of honestly.
Hi Matt, I'm interested in the Air Force HPSP dental scholarship. I was wondering if you could tell me a little about what a typical week looks like for a Air Force dentist - i.e. how many hours a day do you generally work, do you have weekends off, do you stay in one clinic all week etc. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteA typical week depends on your specialty and the base you are at, but I can tell you that you'll generally be working from about 7 or 7:30am to 4pm in the afternoon M-F. It is the military so every now and then there is some sort of meeting or military exercise or event that will eliminate some of that clinic time. Not to mention you'll get every federal holiday off work (about 10 I think) as well as some extra days around major holidays depending on when the holidays fall (like this year we get off Christmas and the day after Christmas because Christmas is a Thursday). You'll see patients at a pace you're comfortable with but it seems like the doctors around the clinic see about 8-10 each day. It's slower pace than private practice from what I gather and it allows you to do what you need to do without feeling rushed. All weekends are off but different doctors will rotate being on-call in case of emergencies.
DeleteHi Matt,
ReplyDeleteReally enjoyed your thread and had a couple of questions for you. I am on a 3 year HPSP Scholarship and am interested in Orthodontics. Do you know much about the path to applying to that specialty. I know I cant apply right out of school, but wanted to make sure I am taking the right steps. I do plan on doing a 1 year AEGD, but didn't know if it was worth while to maybe to the AEGD-2 since I could get stationed at Lackland where the Tri-care ortho program is and I might be able to observe the ortho program better. Any advice you have would be helpful!
Lastly, I would love to get your take on the AEGD-1. How has your experience been? What procedures have you learned?
Thanks for all the awesome information you have provided!
Usually there are 2 available spots each year with about 4-8 applicants per year on average. You seem to have a good knowledge of it! I don't think an AEGD-2 would give you a huge advantage to be honest, even based on the location. I could be wrong but that's my opinion.
DeleteBe on the lookout soon for a new post about what I've been doing in the residency but overall we get to stick our nose in all the specialties a little and are learning some new techniques for more common things like pros and operative. My experience has been good overall but the program can seem a little disorganized at times.
Hi Matt,
ReplyDeleteThank you for all the great information contained within your blog...awesome! I'm a DDS4 on HPSP and I recently read through your COT document and your latest post on the AEGD (congrats!). Which personal laptop operating system (Windows/Mac) is best/most applicable to the classes in COT and the AEGD? I imagine that all the computers on base run Windows, so maybe that is the best to have for a laptop?
My dental school computer is struggling (please make it till May!) and I'll be looking into getting a new computer before too long...
Thanks!
It really doesn't matter what you bring for COT in terms of your laptop. About half had mac and the other half had PC. Just about everything is from a website (blackboard) so the operating system is pretty irrelevant. If you're thinking about getting a new computer, don't use COT to weigh that decision at all, it's virtually a non-factor. If you do have a Mac, however, make sure you have Word because there will be some documents you have to submit that will need to be compatible with Mac and PC. Hope that helps!
DeleteGood to know! Any other must-have software? I know you've got a new blog about AEGD coming out soon...could you speak to the structure of the classes in the AEGD a bit? More specifically, do we get printed handouts of didactic material or do we get electronic copies to take notes on personal laptops? Looking forward to reading all about it. Thanks.
DeleteIn terms of software, not really. I'll be sure to address that in the next blog post, great idea! To answer your question here though, it depends on the faculty. One would print all our notes (no digital copies) and another would make digitals available and we did what we wanted with them (print or take notes on the computer). Classes are pretty front-loaded, you'll get almost exclusively classes for the first month of the residency.
DeleteHi Matt,
ReplyDeleteCouple questions for you! I am on the HPSP and will be applying next year for AEGDs. I was wondering if different bases emphasize different things? For example, I would like to get comfortable taking out 3rd molars, are there AEGDs that focus on that or are all AEGDs fairly Standard? Second question, Do you know how competitive it is to get stationed OCONUS after the AEGD? I think it would be an awesome experience but was curious yo know if those are highly sought after slots. Do you know where you will be stationed after the AEGD yet? Thanks for all your awesome information on this blog.
I think some bases do emphasize certain things depending on their patient population and the faculty in that particular specialty. As far as which bases to look at for certain things, I really don't have a lot of knowledge about that but they try to make the experiences as uniform as possible across all the programs.
DeleteAs far as OCONUS, I really don't know to be honest with you. I would imagine if you want to go somewhere OCONUS and you're not picky, you could. However, if you don't have the skill set a particular base is looking for and that's the base you want, then odds are lower for you obviously.
In March-April 2015 we should get a list of available bases and hopefully we'll know by the end of May where we are all going once the residency ends in August.
Hope that answers your questions!
Hey Matt,
ReplyDeleteCouple of questions for you. Why did you decide on the AEGD-1 over the AEGD-2? Do you think that after your payback is over you will sign a new contract or head to the private sector?
I didn't feel like a 2 year was a commitment I wanted to make. I know there are very few spots for the 2-year and many many spots for the 1 year. I didn't really have a strong preference against the 2-year but felt a 1-year was a better place to start.
DeleteAs of now, it's hard to say. I think early on most would say their plan is to leave for the private sector and that's probably my leaning as well. However, I haven't even begun my payback yet and I may fall in love with it and decide to stay. There are many stories of dentists who fully planned to get out only to change their minds. Most in my spot say they'll get out but things change!
Great Blog! Wish I found this earlier...I'm a non-traditional applicant that has toggled with the idea of applying for the HPSP, but due to family situations I put it on the back burner until now. Unfortunately, the AF recruiter informed me I just missed the deadline and that boards will not begin again until October this year. I will be entering Dschool in July, I have a 3.34 (with a 4.0 trend for the past few semesters) and a 23 DAT. In your opinion, would I be considered competitive enough to apply for the 3-yr HPSP scholarship? Thanks!
ReplyDeleteI think for the 3-year you would be competitive. Historically there are more 3-year scholarships awarded which makes them a bit easier and you've got a solid GPA with a great DAT score. I say go for it!
DeleteHi Matt,
ReplyDeleteJust a question about applying for the scholarship.. Im coming up on my third year of undergraduate and I want to apply for the scholarship for dental school through the air force, but if I apply and get the scholarship.. but I don't get into dental school will I still have to serve in the air force? I don't understand if getting the scholarship means I am in a legal binding contract with the air force or if I just have to deny the scholarship since I didn't get into school and I don't have to worry about anything with the air force anymore?
No you won't. The Air Force scholarship is specifically for dental school but I can tell you that if you're good enough to get an HPSP scholarship you'll very likely get into dental school as well. It's fairly competitive and you'll need good scores to be considered for the HPSP so getting into dental school shouldn't be a problem.
DeleteThey're a package deal; no dental school, no Air Force.
Sir:
ReplyDeleteI have recently separated as an enlisted member of the Air Force. I would like to become a dentist with the Air Force, but am wondering if they look at EPRs or just DAT and GPA. Its nothing bad, but I had a supervisor one time that said 3 was normal EPR score, without taking into account the inflation that 5 is normal. Also, I am considered disabled, but have passed a medboard (regular honorable discharge) and can pass the PT test. Do I have any hope of getting the AFHPSP? My degree is political science so I will need to take some science classes. Thank you for your assistance.
To be honest, I'm probably not the person to ask when it come to those things. I would highly recommend taking your question to a recruiter. They can give you a much better picture of what they will take into account because I just don't know. Sorry about the post not showing up, I screen them myself every couple weeks due to all the spam.
DeleteSorry If a double post, but my computer is not showing what I typed. I recently separated from the air force as enlisted and am considered disabled, but i can stil pass the pt tests. Further, I had one supervisor who insisted that everyone in his section got a 3 on their EPR (was told can't contest since not referral). Would that EPR factor in or would they just go off DAT and GPA? Thank you.
ReplyDeleteHi Matt,
ReplyDeleteHope you are enjoying the last few months of your AEGD! You mentioned in one of your post that you feel like at the Academy the residency is heavy in Oral Surgery. I wanted to know if you could expand on this and what kind of experience you have gained. I am currently applying for the AEGD in the AF and would like to find a base that gives residency experience with extracting 3rds and wanted to know if you had much experience with oral surgery?
Thanks!
My base was great for this, yes. Lots of young and healthy patients that need their 3rds out! I think most of the bases have a good experience in that area but I do think the Academy is set up very well for this because of the huge volume of new young people every year.
DeleteThank you for all of the useful information! You have eliminated many of my questions and I really enjoy reading your posts. I just have two major questions.
ReplyDelete1) I know that doing a AEGD or GPR and fulling deployment duties look favorable for applicants who want to apply to military dental specialties but what other requirements are required for these specialties? I am interested in one day doing a military OMFS residency during my HPSP active duty time. From what I have found online, it appears that the GRE is a requirement but does the Air Force also require the NBME (which a lot of civilian programs no consider -- since the NBDE are now P/F)?
2) Is it possible to earn the 3 year HPSP before starting dental school? I know most of the time 3 year HPSP are granted to D1 students, is that because only D1 students can apply for the 3 year 4 HPSP?
1) let me get back to you on this. I have access to information that might help you but it has been changing recently. I believe its just the NBME and not the GRE.
Delete2) believe it or not, that's the first time I can recall being asked that question! I would get with a recruiter and tell them you're interested in it but only a 3 year. My guess is that you could be conditionally accepted for a 3 year but I honestly am not sure.
Is the scholarship any more or less competitive if you are in Air Force ROTC in college?
ReplyDeleteI'm not totally sure, but I believe some scholarships are reserved for ROTC folks so theoretically you should have an advantage.
DeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteI am currently serving for the us army, i have my bds from india and want to pursue my dds. I have cleared nbde part 1. I want to join the airfare. Can you please advice.
Your best bet is to get in touch with a health professions recruiter on the ARMY side and see what your options are to attend school since you are serving in the Army. Or, you could contact and Air Force health professions recruiter and see if they have answers for you to transfer branches. To be honest, I'm not sure how this would work, sorry I couldn't be more helpful!
DeleteDid you have to take the AFOQT, and if you did what is a good score to get for someone aiming to get a health profession job?
ReplyDeleteFor the HPSP scholarship as a normal applicant (you apply for the HPSP during college before dental school), you do not take the AFOQT.
DeleteAnother random question... if your wife has kids during dental school, does the HPSP program cover her with Tricare? Or would she need her own health insurance policy to cover the costs of labor?
DeleteYour spouse is covered with TriCare for the 45 days each year that you are technically on active duty... so the timing would have to be pretty good, I wouldn't count on it.
DeleteDr. Lee, can you explain just a few reasons why you do not want to specialize? Is it because you would simply rather finish your payback and start your own practice? I really struggle with my decision to specialize or not, and when to do so if I do.
ReplyDeleteI like doing all kinds of dentistry! Currently I don't love something enough to only want to do that one thing, and I don't hate enough things to want to stop doing them. Plus it's nice to be able to handle 90% of the issues and still have that person that can back you up for the 10% of the time something weird or difficult walks in the door. I will say that if you want to get out, specializing might be a waste of time in the military, but you'd still have to consider it for yourself. You add to your payback, but you still get free and excellent training!
DeleteDuring dental school, what did your monthly stipend look like ($) after taxes were taken out?
ReplyDeleteIt depends on your state (some states will waive the state income taxes for military) but I believe I lost about 10-15% of my stipend to taxes if I remember correctly.
Delete(Your blog has really given me info iv'e never heard of, which is extremely helpful)Do you know if Air Force ROTC scholarships add an additional 4 years of service with the HPSP scholarship when you finish Dental school?
ReplyDeleteI believe it does. Essentially it will stack your HPSP payback commitment on top of your ROTC payback commitment.
DeleteDid you have to maintain a certain GPA or specific requirements while in dental school to keep your HPSP scholarship?
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, I'm not totally sure about this one. I don't believe so, because as long as you graduate, you're a dentist!
DeleteDid you have to maintain a certain GPA or complete certain requirements while in Dental school in order to keep your HPSP scholarship?
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing you're the same person who posted above :)
DeleteAs far as I know, the answer to that question is no.
How do you like Alaska? Would you ever consider practicing there after the Air Force? Seems like dentists there do really well.
ReplyDeleteIt's a fun place! Definitely a different life. I think there are lots of amazing opportunities here. I'm not sure that this specific area of Alaska suits my family well long term but we've enjoyed Anchorage and Wasilla a lot so those would probably be on the short list of long term locations if we considered staying in Alaska.
DeleteNot sure if this was already asked, but I was considering the Air Force reserves as I am 10 years out of school. Is the officer training still 5 weeks as a reservist? Also, unfortunately my back and knees are already not what they used to be (10 years as a dentist will do that!). So I was a bit nervous about all of the running with PT...what happens if I have difficulty with meeting this requirement? Have you met anyone that was let go due to being unable to meet the physical standards?
ReplyDeleteNot sure about reservist training to be honest with you. This is a question for a recruiter. Not meeting the physical requirements would likely not allow you to join in the first place. And yes, I have known people they've let go due to not meeting physical requirements (though rare). I don't have great answers to these questions, but your recruiter should know all about this stuff. You can find a recruiter by using the link on the right side of my blog home page!
DeleteCan you study for your specialty while serving to pay back the year service obligation in AF? And also do they cover? I guess if they do, how many years do you respond to pay back?
ReplyDeleteYes and yes. Specialties have different rules, but you can apply to specialty and do it during some of the time you owe back, you don't have to serve all your payback first. Payback time with a specialty depends on the specialty and what the needs are when you are accepted.
DeleteJust to confirm - you aren't required to do an AEGD? Would you recommend doing it even though it extends your commitment?
ReplyDeleteAlso, is it true that you are unlikely to get stationed in the same state for AEGD and your 3-4 yr commitment? Does any of this depend on how well you perform in dental school?
The information I received 2 years ago stated that... yes. You are required to apply for an AEGD. If you are accepted, you are required to attend. Not everyone will be accepted. I was the last year to have the option to decline an AEGD offer. I would recommend it, it's very good training!
DeleteThe odds of you staying at your AEGD base to serve back time are almost zero. They want you to get out there and use your training somewhere else! Dental school will have no bearing on this, just your AEGD performance.
How much is your monthly stipend taxed while in school?
ReplyDeleteAdditionally how heavily is your bonus and Base Pay taxed after school?
This will depend on your tax rate. You can look up your state income tax laws (some states don't collect taxes on military) and what your federal rate would be.
DeleteYour bonus and base pay are taxed like normal income. BAH and BAS are NOT taxed.
1)Am I eligible for the HPSP Scholarship while on IRR from National Guard?
ReplyDeleteI plan to enroll in National Guard to help pay tuition during college. If I am in IRR, can I still apply to HPSP?
To be honest, I don't know. Talking to a recruiter is your best bet here. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful!
DeleteHey Matt!
ReplyDeleteFirst, I want to thank you for taking the time to share all your knowledge and experience on this blog. It's not easy to find HPSP information online in general, let alone the perspective of someone who has actually been through it.
As for my question, I'm curious as to whether you know many dual military spouses? I just accepted the 3 year HPSP and my boyfriend is an Air Force Pilot. I know that in the military, you usually have relatively little say in where you're stationed, but do you have any insight as to how frequently active duty couples are able to be stationed together?
Again, appreciate your help!
Sarah
Sarah,
DeleteI know a few dual military spouses. They tend to find a way to make it work, especially at the officer level. But I've known a couple that were both dentists getting stationed together multiple times (I think every time?) and my current commander is married to another Air Force officer (not in the medical field) who are both stationed at my base. His assignment to come here was the reason she came up here, basically.
I think it's definitely possible. His assignment will probably drive your options since you could go anywhere, but he can't. I think the odds are very good!
Hey Matt!,
ReplyDeleteI was just wondering if you were ever deployed oversees during your 4 years of repayment?
I have not. It's rare as an Air Force dentist. More common for Army.
DeleteIf you are accepted into a 1-year AEGD program, does it count towards the 3-4 years of obligated repayment service?
ReplyDeleteIt is a "neutral" year. This means that it does NOT count towards your payback, but you don't owe any extra time on top of the AEGD just for doing the AEGD.
DeleteExample 1: 3 year scholarship, 1 year AEGD, 3 year payback (7 yrs)
Example 3: 3 year scholarship, no AEGD, 3 year payback (6 yrs)
Hi Matt,
ReplyDeleteI am a current D2 dental student who is applying for a 2 year HPSP with the Air Force. I came across your posts on SDN and have been following your blog as well and was wondering if you could answer a few questions for me.
My college GPA was a 3.55 with a 23 AA and 22 PAT on the DAT. Currently my dental school GPA is slightly below a 3.0. What do you think my chances are for getting selected based on my stats?
And also what was your favorite part of being a dentist in the Air Force?
Thank you for your time!
Hi! I believe I got an email from you right after this, but if not, email me (see the right side of my blog) and I'll be happy to answer it for you!
DeleteHello Matt,
ReplyDeleteI've heard even competitive applicants should not expect to match to the most competitive AF residencies straight out of dental school. If I were to apply for a competitive residency and get rejected the first time and do an AEGD, then reapply multiple times, say all the way to the end of the service commitment for an HPSP scholarship, and finally get accepted with no remaining service commitment, would there be a new service commitment after the residency training? For example if I began a four year OMFS residency with no remaining HPSP payback, would there be a commitment beyond the four year residency?
Thanks,
Dave
Dave,
DeleteThe military service commitments are a little hard to explain. To answer your first question, in the scenario you laid out, yes. You would owe more time.
Some residencies will payback concurrently with your normal HPSP commitment.
Example: Let's say you enter the AF in June 2020 and ALSO start a residency in June 2020 that is 2 years long and has a 2 year commitment. Depending on the speciality, you'll pay off the first 2/4 years of your HPSP during your first 2 years of residency. Then, during your final 2 years of HPSP, you'll also pay back the 2 years you owe for having done the residency. I hope that makes sense!
(The short answer to both of your questions is "yes").
What si the total on bonuses nowadays? Do dental officers all get IP, VSP, ASP, and BCP? In your first 4 years out of school are you only eligible for IP and BCP?
ReplyDeleteFor the last 6 years or so, VSP and ASP no longer exist, as they were consolidated into IP ($20k/year for every dentist). And yes, if you're a specialist, BCP also comes into play (varies year to year based on manning).
Delete